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[Valcrist]

I hate people so fucking much! These fuckers are ridiculing this kid for having a crush on a black girl. What the fucking hell? Is there something wrong with falling for a colored girl; I mean seriously. I have a crush on the girl I dated, still; she is a petite korean girl. She is damn cute and I would kill the bastard that would go out and ridicule me for like her! God I wish people would get a fucking clue (I am sorry for the language. So back off or I'll verbally rape you).

[ March 24, 2004, 12:59 PM: Message edited by: Valcrist ]

[Dimari]

Can i just say i know how it feels!

People know that i am gay, and sometimes they are really prejudice to me! They really p**s me off too!

[Valcrist]

I have many friends that have differant sex prefs than me and all of them are really cool people... As long as they don't hit on me I'll be fine ^^

[Kayko]

I think other's just think that it's wrong for a person of one color to like another but that's just not right it's stuiped I mean I like people who come from different conutries but I don't like people from mine countrie does that make me a bad person to think that way I hope it doesn't I just like other's that aren't my skin color like asin's korean's japanese and chinese I think those guy's are way hotter than american's don't ask me why I just do.

[Seig]

dude i know exactly what you mean! its so annoying how superficial and shallow some people can be. it's not fair at all. we're all people and i wish everyone would stop being so damn stereotypical.

[Setsuri]

I see where you are coming from the second my grandma saw a picture of me and my first boyfriend I got a line of comments along the line of 'you're datin a nigger?' I was thoroughly pissed and of course when we broke up she made it seem as if it were the racial differences that led to our breakup.
[more or less it was simply a divergence of interest in each other and that he found out he wouldn't have sex with him ]

I also recently got kicked out of an arts store on the premise of the owner not wanting my kind there... [I'm still trying to figure out what she meant i was dressed in a long black skirt with a blue buisness shirt and plain black coat with my wallet and about $80 dollars on hand ready to get a new calligraphy pen and nibs and paintbrushes, perhaps she knew instinctively knew i liked anime ... it's a conspiracy! :confused: ]

[Osiris]

Originally posted by Setsuri:

I also recently got kicked out of an arts store on the premise of the owner not wanting my kind there... [I'm still trying to figure out what she meant i was dressed in a long black skirt with a blue buisness shirt and plain black coat with my wallet and about $80 dollars on hand ready to get a new calligraphy pen and nibs and paintbrushes, perhaps she knew instinctively knew i liked anime ... it's a conspiracy! :confused: ] Baced on the description you gave of your attire I would guess that the owner kicked you out because they thought you were gothic or in the accult.

[ March 24, 2004, 11:01 PM: Message edited by: Osiris ]

[Silver Knight]

First off I'm a goth, so don't diss us. Second I understand what you're all saying about people being like that. It really is awful. Noone even knows why they hate other races do they? Your parents may have been racist, or your friends, but they don't really know either. It's just a cycle that started back from the screw ups of the leaders of our country(ies). We have racism galore down here in the south, but it's all because of slavery. I believe similar incidents are the only basis for which any one person hates another of a different race. I'm not gonna tell you who to hate or who to like, because I really couldn't give less of a damn what any of you think, but thats just how I am. It's pretty screwed up how just a few "great" leaders said racist things, and people, being the dumb animals that they are, follow the example because this "great" person believes it, when in fact, the leader is only condeming a race for his own personal profit, (i.e. slavery, war). So seriously, how many of you hate Iraqies? Afgans? What the hell have they done. it's their leaders that call the shots. greedy people. Now see why many gothics want an anarchy, It'd be so much easier if there werent any rules, and no leaders to put ideas into our heads. only people to govern themselves by their own ethics. ...Don't bother replying to my response, I'm not gonna read it, and I really dont give a damn...

[Wshmaster0]

Originally posted by Silver Knight:
First off I'm a goth, so don't diss us. Second I understand what you're all saying about people being like that. It really is awful. Noone even knows why they hate other races do they? Your parents may have been racist, or your friends, but they don't really know either. It's just a cycle that started back from the screw ups of the leaders of our country(ies). We have racism galore down here in the south, but it's all because of slavery. I believe similar incidents are the only basis for which any one person hates another of a different race. I'm not gonna tell you who to hate or who to like, because I really couldn't give less of a damn what any of you think, but thats just how I am. It's pretty screwed up how just a few "great" leaders said racist things, and people, being the dumb animals that they are, follow the example because this "great" person believes it, when in fact, the leader is only condeming a race for his own personal profit, (i.e. slavery, war). So seriously, how many of you hate Iraqies? Afgans? What the hell have they done. it's their leaders that call the shots. greedy people. Now see why many gothics want an anarchy, It'd be so much easier if there werent any rules, and no leaders to put ideas into our heads. only people to govern themselves by their own ethics. ...Don't bother replying to my response, I'm not gonna read it, and I really dont give a damn... I often wonder about people that believe in anarchy. I'm not sure people like that realize what kind of society it would be if there were no rules to govern others. You won't have a nonracial world, instead you will have a world in which theres no consequences for hating or doing wrong against anyone. You say you live in a society where there is prejudism and racism and that this is caused by the government? No, its like the idea of guns... guns dont kill people, people kill people. Government is only made up of a body of leaders that are also human, so racism comes from humanity.

If people governed themselves by their own accord you will have more chaos, more racism and more prejudism. I'm not sure where you're getting at with your argument so I'll leave it at that.

[Valcrist]

You opinions are all correct in there own way as mine is. I have posted this on many forums (like three). And everyone has about the same opinion: "Dating outside of your own race is okay and there is nothing wrong with it at all."
So all I have to say is. What the fuck? I don't know if I ran into an idiot or not but I know I kicked this fuckers ass for ridiculing me for dating a korean girl for two months... Little ass. I hate people so much I wish the majority would die.

[blu ku bara]

valcarist after reading your original post i can't help but wonder where you live i know several people in my school that have mixed relations going and have never seen any of them ridiculed for it i don't know maybe i'm not looking hard enough

also it seems that most of u have been discrimenated on for your differences not unlike my self.(i'm a nerd hehe)But i have a very broad asortment of friends from preps to goths to nerds and geeks and i understand u all but for god sakes please don't blow up your school/place of employment lol

o and rember everyone here at the bb are you friends(except for maybe that spaniard guy hes insane) so never give up the fight

[ March 25, 2004, 11:14 AM: Message edited by: blu ku bara ]

[Valcrist]

I live in Eau Claire Wisconsin. The hick state.

[Osiris]

Originally posted by Valcrist:
I live in Eau Claire Wisconsin. The hick state. not to contradict you but...SD is the hick state and that is where I am

[Silver Knight]

Yeah, everyone in this forum should be friends. I know we dont all act it, but you cant get in a fight with someone you dont even know. People could be role playing here jus so they dont have to act like the person they n ormally are, so dont pick on anyone, you never know who they could be. That said, what Blu Ku Bara said (whatever the hell that means), the only type of people i will never be friends with are preps. Again this isnt a racist issue, it's just the attitude they pull. I'm a goth and i know we're weird ass people, but once you get to know us, you'll find that we dont jus think of killing people and drinking blood and all that crap, (though witchcraft is popular, think what you will). But preps, god damn, even if you befriend them, their attitude is still just awful, they think they're so great and high n mighty. GRRR it just pisses me off thinking about it. sigh, ah well i got to fight with a cheerleader in second period the other day, n that made me feel a lot better. whatever..... Oh yeah, n jus to have said it Wshmaster..most of the anarchists at our school have thought of the world after anarchy takes control, and thats what most of them long for. but i.. i dont know, I'd like an anarchy to escape the prison of this real world, but there's just so much left that cant be done or punished. I mean someone could kill my girlfriend, and even though i'd go after them with the closest automatic weapon i could find and not stop until the ground is warm with their blood(at least three pints of it), she'd still be gone and i'da lost the most important thing to me just like that. nothing could be said or done. so I guess it's got its ups and downs to it. maybe if people werent always after stuff for themselves, and actually cared for each other...but i honestly dont know, i'm talking nonsense

[ March 25, 2004, 11:40 PM: Message edited by: Silver Knight ]

[Seig]

i honestly respect where you stand as considering yourself a "goth", Silver Knight. but i really just dont feel right stereotyping people like "preps" and "goths" and "punks". i'm so sick of this unneeded war. why cant people be what they want without being labeled as one thing or another. im not really anything but... well... me. its just, i dont think people should be confined to a one word description...i think we're all more than just a catagory. i dunno, maybe i'm jus weird. lol :rolleyes:

[Silver Knight]

I know what you're saying, but things are just too complicated. Stereotypes happen naturally i guess and it's nothing that we can get around. But as for this war, it will never end. People will never agree on one thing, ever, no matter what the issue may be.

[Setsuri]

Recently here in canada there have been anti-semetic problems in toronto, some of these things are disturbing because Toronto is pretty close to where our city is [1 hour drive or less depending on traffic]

I don't get how it happens, I see why, but I still don't get how they can do all of this without being caught. [not that i agree with the why but I can see people taking things the wrong way or becoming overzealous]

[Silver Knight]

Could you just be a little bit more specific with what you're saying? i may be the only one but i dont really understand what you're tryin to say.

[Road_Kill]

just when i think people miught be entirely altruistic, and pure, i remember that things such as those discussed in this thread do occur. bottom line is, people, for the most part are pack animals. if yuo were to have society dissolved into an anarchy, there would still be control freaks who rise up and take command, and become new leaders. sure, it would be a feudal, or even a tribal system of rule, but it would still be there.

despite teh factthat poepl still have moral values that they adhere to, regardless of circumstances, it can also be said that fear of being reprimanded by the group at large will force you to become a follower of the common practice, whatever it is, even if it goes aginst your personal ethical code.

an example of this in teh modern era would be Nazi Germany. people were so scared of the SS that they did what the government wnated, regardless of wether it was merely turning a blind eye, or if it was actually commiing executions.

the question of stereotypes is one which we all know te answer to. it wil aways be here, no matter what society does to change the public opinion. a good example is that of educational edicts. 100 years ago, the little red brick school house was the typical style, with a tecaher dictacting information. nowadays owever, the style has changed to student involvement and advanced learning stressing individualism, rather than trying to make everyone the same. despite teh fact that the new style is much better to teh students, teh old style is still practised by many teachers, and they refuse togive it up. it is for this reason alone that stereotypes will always be apart of teh fabric of our society. people are too old fashioned and stubborn to give up their old ways.

[Valcrist]

Also the fact that people can't look past outer differances help with prejudice as well as other things like sex prefrance and the like. People are just stupid plain and simple and if all of us were open about every little thing, things in this world would be differant; but things like religion and society put upon us what we should think and do what their own opinions on the things are to make us think it is rigth to do the same (stupid fucktards). Now I am not saying religion should be banished or is wrong. I am just stating the fact that they do these things and I believe that what they do is wrong

[Seig]

exactly, i dont think poeople will ever get over their problems with anyone unlike them.

[Road_Kill]

now, here's a counterargument i just thoght of... we all are pretty much in agreement that society brainwashes us to one way of thinking right? well, what if we actually were not having that happene, and isntead, were being brainwashed to believe that we were being brainwashed. so ultimately, we all do things of our own accord, regardless of what anyone says, and tehn we blame others because we can, and have been told too?

[Kayko]

ok if you say so pal it's kinda confusing to think about.

[Road_Kill]

*shrug* i was merely presenting it as a "what if?" to get us thinking that we cannot truly believe what we hear, regardless of eth source, or what it is saying.

[Silver Knight]

RoadKill you think waaaaaaay too much.

[Kayko]

Oh I see ok then.

[Road_Kill]

aye, such is true. i'm always thinking of alternate arguments and posibilities. in a way, it's fun, sort of. althoughm, when you start making convincing arguments defending the uilty, it get s scary.

[Setsuri]

what one thinks is too much could be just enough for another, we all function differently and are better at expressing ourselves in different ways whether it is socially acceptable or not. We also have individual traits put into such a combination that we are 'unique' but ultamitely we are all the same, we all have the same amount of time everyone else gets, a lifetime.

As these things work this is how it goes, the masses will rule, the masses will be ruled, and the rulers of the masses will be ruled either by their own concience, hate, anger or fear.

[Silver Knight]

you'd make a great philosopher