I Hate Dis-prooving myself!

[Road_Kill]

I've stood steadfastly lately on teh issue of evilness. I have alwys maintained that people are inherently evil. however, in philosophy class today i prooved myself wrong.

i am a beliverof selective predesttinatioon. which means, you are destined to amke achoice. the actual choice is up to your free will, howere, the fact remeains you will make a choice. after that choice is made, yuo must make abnother one. this is an inescapable law. the choices are altered by the past events, and teh events are altered by tehchoices.

now, if you are faced with a choice betwen doing a good act, or a bad act, and yuo choose the good act, then necxt time you ahve to make a choice, if one of teh ioptioms is for good, you will be more leanient towards teh good side. therefore, it can be concluded that if you nurture teh seed of goodness within you you become and stay good. thus making everyone naturally good.

.. i hate this! it makes sense, it makes me look at things in a better light , and all in all has enlivene dmy daily life... yet it goes against everything i have previously believed in. for someone who is used to being a pessimist, optimisim is not a welcome thing. thenagain, i tend to alwys cheer peolpe up... damnit! i'm a good person! damnit!

[haste]

Dude, you really need to proof read your posts - they are littered with typing errors.

[Road_Kill]

i apologize. one thing to remmebr when talking to typingw ith me ist that i quite frankly don't give a damn about what you think of me. hence, lack of spellchecks.

[haste]

Originally posted by Road_Kill:
i apologize. one thing to remmebr when talking to typingw ith me ist that i quite frankly don't give a damn about what you think of me. hence, lack of spellchecks. wtf are you on about?

just check your posts, its common curtesy not a statement of who you are.

[Setsuri]

hmmm.... how about you follow my belief of logic being constantly in motion and circular. I believe that everything can some how lead to another, because everything is determined by our perceptions. Whta we here and now find beautiful may be considered horrendous in the far past or future. It's just how these things work. ^__^

Such as if I were to say I live somewhere just outside of nowhere which is everywhere inside of anywhere here. It would make sense to me but others would just look at me funny. To me this illogical logic makes sense because of my perception of reality.

philosphy is simply the study of taking another approach to analyzing our perceptions, so obviously you've had a run about and then your perception changed slightly to accomadate that.

We are still young we should be able to take these changes if not then the weight of the world would crush us or send us flying off the edges

I also know of a perception change in a friend of mine he is a staltworth believer in normalcy... strange enough he hangs out with me and my older brother. While on a walk with us he watched this distinct old man step onto the bus [the man was wearing a top hat and black dress suit, trust me he was 'distinct'] then he watched the doors close and the bus go down the street. As we walked barely a metre from hte bus stop we saw the old man standing there like a bot taken off the clipping plane, staring straight ahead unmoving. I knew it was the smae man as did my brother but that didn't change the fact that it happened we accepted it and went on. Our friend on the other hand had a breakdown unable to cope with the weirdness.

[Road_Kill]

Haste: sorry. i will do my best from here on in to do as you ask with regards to checking m posts.

Sets: what yui say makes sense. all things = circular, therefore, there is no begining, middle or end of teh patterns, however, thare are beginings. as far as teh man, glitches in the matrix. ( inow its cliche, and very passes, but its a belief of mine that we are encased in a world within a world, and if you think about it, it makes sense.

[haste]

Thanks Road_Kill

[Valcrist]

Ahhh to mush to read....
But yeah i beleave in my own beliefs... not any religion or other therorys(sp?)

[Road_Kill]

religion is a set of rules put into place by a group of people to gain more powewr over one anothrr under the guise of spiritual awakening.

[FoxPhyre]

First off i would like to state that setsuri has now become my official AnimeBB idol , since she has much more insight into the workings of life than most of the people i know. Thank you Sets for being so darn smart. second i must say that it would be a shame for this to go off from philosophy to religion (and if you dont think theres a difference, i dont wanna hear it ). and last but not least i would like to place my two cents upon the pedestal of collective knowledge (aka the internet ): i believe that it is a mixture of what the two points made. namely, a heaping helping of what Setsuri pointed out, and a pinch of what Road_Kill stated. life IS merely what we percieve it to be, yet perception isnt EVERYTHING. Yes, i thought peas were disgusting when i was a child and now i love them , perspective is very important. if you think negative youll only see the negative foresight that you possess, and so on and so forth. but you must still make decisions in life and every decision is a fork in the road. some forks will meet up with the same path again.. some wont. obviously if i choose to shoot myself in the head , the road workers pack up their gear and head home for a long vacation, whereas if i instead choose to shoot someone else in the head , the road continues but it will probably never meet up with the path for the decision to just keep walking instead of doing anything , but i might actually die in a car wreck ten minutes from then if i keep walking . so thats where perspective comes in. it all depends on what you setas your goals in life. if my goal in this scenario was to live the longest out of all my options, i wouldnt choose the first option and a normal person wouldnt choose the second, but if my goal were to liveas long as possible what better place to do it than the big house?
and you see the whole world within a world within a world matrix, men-in-black, thirteenth floor crap is all hollywood, granted it is feasible, and possible.. there is no proof to show that what you are experiencing is a simulation of any type...the brain is the most powerful computer ever devised. it is an organism that actively controls the path of electricity with the processing power of one neuron equalling that of the worlds most powerful supercomputer mainframe. and all of what your brain does, is done on so little electricity. the power it takes to run your computer for an hour is probably equivalent to the ammount of electricity your brain uses in a year or so, with data transfer speeds instantaneous. i doubt very seriously that any type of simulation could ever give you the sensation of life without your brain knowing it.
although on a lighter note it is a fanciful idea, and very intrigueing nonetheless.
thank you for your time... my death awaits me...

* rolls over into a pool of liquid nitrogen and freezes to death*

[Road_Kill]

i'm assuming therfore, that yuoare abit religious/atheist then eh?

[FoxPhyre]

not neccesarily, its more the fact that i was raised to believe that religion and politics should never be discussed at the dinner table... it causes fights and bad bad bad arguments. and i prefer people to get along. ones religion is ones own, and i dont inquire into others' in the hopes that no-one will try to force me toexplain mine. theres nothing i hate more than someone coming up to me and being like "hey, explain what your religion is about then since you think your so right" and its litteraly impossible to explain it in the five second time slot that i was alotted. so they then come right back and say, well if you cant explain it in five seconds then its not a religion. or some stupid shod like that. so therefore i prefer talking about philosophy because people take religious matters too personally. (i wonder why) :D

[Setsuri]

^__^ neat, I'm like an idol? :rolleyes:
Welcome to animebb foxphyre, I definatly agree with the time slot question, it gets irritating after awhile.

I'm a real believer in perception is what we make of it, although I think there are other elements to take into accoutn I don;t believe absolutely everything is perception because there has to be some kind of base for everything to connect to otherwise things would inevitably fall apart, it's what keeps these 'supernatural' things or 'miracles' from being everyday occurances.

Struggle is part of what gives our lives meaning if we ever had to do anything, or we never found any point in doing anything we'd be dead. because even sleeping your life away would count as doing something. In that prsons perspective the real life could be the dream and their dream could be their life. we never know.

parralel dimension theories though tend to leave me on a limb since I do have a belief that our universe/reality is connected with many others in a weblike pattern partly because paths constantly cross and because the weaving of it would give the universes all a stability like a spider's web. I sometimes follow that in the centre it may have some kind of base but am stil deciding on whether the centre of realitys would be dense enough to provide a base for a reality/control panel itself.

wow...that was an awful explanation of a simple thought... I blame it on my minds tendency to work in circles, I get to the point i just have to work my way around to where it's hiding

[FoxPhyre]

On the first note: yeah sets, your like a super idol hehe.
and on the second note: i agree, but have nothing more to say.

however, on the third note i would like to state that what you said is so true that its not even funny, because someone told me once... i dont really remember who, when, where. they said "a sunny day wouldnt be a special thing, if there werent any rainy days. and happiness and pleasure wouldnt feel so good, if there were never any pain. which in itself is a perspective point. if you dont realize what makes the things around you special and you take them for granted, when that rainy day comes around and you dont have it any more... your screwed, and youll regret it. thats why i try not to take friends or family for granted because when you are all sad and lonely because nobody wants to be around a self-centered womanizer, youll regret your devilish ways.

and finally on the fourth note:

(damn sets, you shouldnt have gotten me into this mode but oh well)

i agree that if there were many parallel universes, all connected in some way that it could provide the support for the whole thing, albeit rather far fetched i will make a reference to the movie "the one" starrring Jet Li. i will talk temperal and astro-mechanics/physics if i have to. you are right to believe there would need to be a support point for the "web" of dimensions/universes, however it wouldnt neccesarily have to be dense, or massive physically because mass and density are physical terms and quantum/temperal-mechanics dont work the same as simple physics. a whole universe (perspectively) mightbe held within another universe, within another dimension and so forth. so the "base" for this web may actually be scattered between dimensions. then it wouldnt really be a base, but rather a nexus, or crossroads. the nexus would connect all the dimensions together and at the same time anchor them. since our universe is theoretically a spherical plane on which if you traveled in one direction long enough you would end up at your starting point, much like the curve of the earth, granted it would be on a larger scale, then what is within the curve? more simply put i believe it possible that each dimension could be but a layer of an onion. inaccessible from the other except through this nexus. so immagine travelling along the surface of your particular onion layer and running into a hole that someone put there with a knife. so you travel through the hole and find yourself in this strange corridor of dimensions with mixed realities. if there were a dimensional nexus. something would have to be there to bind each universe to itself, or each universe would slowly but surely mix with the others and cause mass chaos. because in one universe the laws of physics may be skewed so that there is this immovable object.
and in another universe, they may be skewed so that there is this irresistable force. and i would like to pose the question to anyone on this board and in the world for instance to answer. what happense when an immovable object encounters an irresistable force?
that is all i have to say for now.. i think if i go any deeper, i will fall into a psycosis and youll never see me again.

*rolls over into a boiling hot bath-tub and is cooked*

[Setsuri]

hehe, well the fourth point was a blatent setup *I began with saying i'd be left out on a limb as to trying to figure out proper parrallel universe theories ^_~*

Your explanation is pretty darn good, though I haven't seen the jet li movie.

your constant deaths could be an interesting topic point but whoever told you the sunny day thing must have4 been crazy or very sensitive *it's amazing how ofen crazy coincides with other things... -must be perspective ;) *


what happense when an immovable object encounters an irresistable force?

simple the two cancel each other out, since both forces are exact polar opposites as long as they are equal in intensities they will eventually wear each other out.

Even though the object is unmovable and the force irresistable the force will continue to attempt to move the object and it's determination to do this will gradually waste power and wear down it's effectiveness and actual fierceness that makes it irresistable and the object which is unmovable will have to bear the irresistable force and like a rock in the badlands wear away. No object lasts forever no matter how well it stands while it's there.

[i love those sorts of questions ]

[FoxPhyre]

you say that no object "here" lasts forever, but that is simply the physics of this dimension.
if these two objects were in two different dimesnions doing all this irresisting and unmoving, think of what would happen to all the other things in the universes that came in the crossfire... that was what i wanted an answer for... yes they will probly eventually cancel each other out, however who will be around to see it, heh.

and yes my deaths are always interesting like this new one:

*rolls over into a coffin, which is then chained shut and tossed into the ocean... where he inevitably drowns*

[Setsuri]

Again loved your catch there. I used to be talented in the way of self sacrifice now i use others *throws Road_kill into a room with razorblades located 5 inches apart covering the entire flor and with 10 inches of vinegar surrounding it then procedes to jostle the room and throw some salt on him every now and again and then after wards slowly remove his ears and takes his [soon to be] corpse and places it on the 401*

yay, now road_kill can live up to his name!

Now I have a minor question for you foxy! ^__^ By what object would you judge perfection?

[FoxPhyre]

OUCH... that hurts too much to think about.... SETSURI!!!! your not allowed to make up deaths anymore... they are too painfull forother people....

if im understanding the question correctly, you are asking what defines perfection, so im going to answer it like that... if i mistook the question, oh well you can rephrase and ill answer that one too hehe, since i love to type so much that i have callusts on my fingers and my keyboard has no letters on it.

i basically look at perfection like this... perfection is completely perception based... they say nobody is perfect, however if you score a 100 on a test you have a perfect score...
so if nothing is perfect, then what is the point in having the word perfect... perfection is all around us
of course if you look at the big picture nothing and nobody is perfect...but, if you change your perspective to only include certain criteria, then you may find matches that become perfect in a certain sense... for example:

in a hypothetical world, i meet you, setsuri, IRL and take you out to dinner. you may look at me and go well nobody is perfect, wherease i may get to know you and you may meet all of my criteria for the perfect girl... so then i, looking at you in a shortened perspective, would say to you... setsuri, you are the perfect girl...

i love examples... its always good to dream hehe... anyway thats how i feel about perfection if that makes ANY sense and if i didnt misread your question...

*rolls over, dies, revives himself, only to die of lonliness shortly after*

[Road_Kill]

hey! i don't liek being offered up to death unless there is a purpose... unless its simply just to entertain yourself, in whch case you can go nuts.

heh, sounds almost as though someone is trying to get some brownie points ;)

[FoxPhyre]

what exactly does that mean?
your the one that got tortured and such...

*fails in all attempts to make a valid death*

[Road_Kill]

What it means is that i don't mind going thrugh torture if someone got somefun out of watching it. i am a performer and always will be, so, in my mind, as long as someone walked away from an encopunter with me with at least a smile or two, my job is done to its fullfilment.

[Xion-Jehuty]

I dont believe in God or Jesus etc, but im not sure what happens to your soul/spirit when you die, it must go somewhere, mustn't it? Anyway, thinkin about death all the time will get me depressed, so i'll concentrate on the present.
Thats how I see life, dont know what other people think.

[Syber]

When people die, they most likely end up at my house. That would explain all the noises. :confused:

[ November 19, 2003, 10:26 PM: Message edited by: Syber ]

[DJ XB]

wooooo that's kinda scary :confused:

[Road_Kill]

indeed, thinking always of darkness willlead you into teh darkness. but sometimes it is necessary to see the dark wholes within yourself in order to be able to truly comprehend the light found next to it.

[DJ XB]

I understand what you mean Road kill.......I think..

[Road_Kill]

lol, i make no sense, even when i try to make sense.

[DJ XB]

True....True...

[Osiris]

very true