RIDICULOUS!!!!

[Seig]

okay, no offense to anyone if you're even remotely religious. i know theres some sort of higher power, but i dont know what. anyway. now this crazy-ass christian couple is accusing anime of being satanic. no, i'm really serious! see for yourself!
how anime is evil: http://www.crossroad.to/text/responses/anime.htm

evangelion: http://www.crossroad.to/text/responses/Evangelion.htm

sailor moon: http://www.crossroad.to/text/articles/SailorMoon.htm

pokemon: http://www.crossroad.to/text/articles/PokemonMovie11-99.html

Magic: The gathering: http://logosresourcepages.org/magic-g.html

if theres one thing i cant stand, its overly religious people who fling bullshit accusations around like nobodies business! augh! yes, seig is mad. very mad. and also cranky b/c i just started my depression medication today. hmph. lol pardon me for being all angsty and blunt but im a bit off right now.

[Dimari]

Dont Worry Seig

I have been taking depression medication for a year now, and yet i am only just 16.

Back to subject... Those webpages are totally telling people what to think!!! God is not like that! Its is people like them who give Us (me anyway) christian people a stereotype of being over religious and never doing anything that is not in the bible.

(i hope that made sense)

Christianity is a very complex religion. It doesnt say that we cant watch anime/manga. I know anime can sometimes show disturbing images, but there is no need for them to tell us what to do, just because they are over religious.

It sounds strange, but even the arch-bishop of Canterbury (uk) wants pupils in school to know about "things that maybe seen as wrong" such as this. It is something to do with getting us closer to god. I dont know?

I hate it though when im told what to do by people i dont know!!!!! :mad:

[Silver Knight]

I honestly dont understand religion. Try being atheist for a day, and just wonder what people are thinking worshipping some omnipresent being that supposedly presides over the whole of the earth. It cant be real, there's no way. I dont wanna turn this into a religous war or anything, but i cannot accept the fact that there is a god. A higher force sounds more likely, but it has to have defined boundaries unlike this "god". Also the people who wrote those threads of anti anime, they should be killed slowly and sacraficed to the higher power for trying to teach bullshit like that.

[ March 26, 2004, 01:28 PM: Message edited by: Silver Knight ]

[Seig]

yeh tell me about it. i dont really understand religion either... i mean, if tere is a god, i hate him for making my life miserable. nothing ever works out when i call upon the higher power. although i am pretty interesting in that "Passion of the christ" movie. after hearing how it made murderers confess and people literally die, i wanna see what all the rucus is about. anyone seen it yet?

ps - dimari: i've actually started taking NINE pills a day. not all for depression though, theres one for my adhd. but then i have to take tylenol for hedaches i get from the lithium pills sometimes. i really wanna cut down on the # of pills i take. hm.

[Silver Knight]

Heh heh Seig we're in the same boat there, cept now all my medication is being changed around on me so i'm liable to show signs of multiple personalities. i'm not really a schizo, but the medicine causes moodswings when i cant adjust. sigh other than that its jus freakin great aint it. (just in case-that's sacrasm)

[Animaniac]

Wow, thats quite an interesting articke there. Im a Christian, but I really don't agree with what they say, especially bout the kid committing suicide due to Eva. Persoanlly thats the parents fault for not caring enough bout their kid to find out whats wrong with him in the first place.

But I do agree that Eva does have some Judeo-Christian themes in it. But to call it one of Satans tools would be a bit extreme, techincally TV is one of Satans tools as well, why do they have that then. As for me Anime is just really good TV, it doesn't run my life by any means, my girlfreind does, hehehe :D

The only thing that I can say what I absolutely agree with Christians is that it can't be the number one priority in your life. I think most avid anime fans would agree on that one, you need to go outside once a month. In other words, have a life!!!!!!!

I say to those who say its against their religion, don't watch it then if its that much of a problem. Im not gonna sit here and bad mouth why they think so harshly of anime, to each their own.

Even though what a person thinks its absurd gotta respect their opinion for feeling the way they do, not everyone can agree on the same thing, thats waht makes us different and unique.

As for me, yea Im Christian, but im still gonna watch my anime.

[Seig]

lol thats a good way to look at it. i guess you cant really blame them for being total pricks. they probably live in hicktown, usa and hear their only news from the local church grapevine. sorry im so sour when it comes to religion but all my life my dad has been trying to force christianity on my brother and sister and me. i just dont think its fair, i mean, i have my own beliefs and i dont try and force my religion on him now do i??? i just dont like being influenced by overly-rreligious people.

[ March 27, 2004, 02:26 PM: Message edited by: Seig ]

[darkdriver]

I guess I should be happy that these people haven't heard about Serial Experiments: Lain yet...but I'm not.

The problem with them is that they see fictional media that is not strictly based on a Christian theology and adheres to it perfectly as being propaganda for Satan. Thing is, that tosses out 99% of all fictional media, including the classics (bye, Charlie Dickens; don't let the door hit you Mary Shelly; see you never, Alexander Dumas).

If those people have their way, no one would read anything but the fictional works based on the Bible.

I'll be the first to admit that I am a Christian and an otaku. I'll also readily admit that those people have as much right to their opinion and to running their own lives and rearing their children as they see fit, same as anyone else.
...That being said, I have to feel sorry for them. They're isolating themselves from the greaters works out there, confining themselves to the Bible and the news. Is there any wonder at all why such people are so miserable so much of the time and so often in what they say and write?
Fiction is suposed to be vicarious, even cathartic at times. It's supposed to be a way for us to escape the problems and concerns of the real world when they become too much. God gave us creativity, after all. And I've read the Bible and use 4 different translations when I study Biblical text so that I can get a more definite impression of what the original writer was saying in his words...so I can say without qualifier or hesitation that nowhere in the Bible does God tell man that man is prohibited from being creative. He has some prohibitions on how to use said creativity...
...but their blanket condemnation of 99% of all fictional media is their condemnation, not God's condemnation.

Of course, I could go into a detailed discussion on how their condemnation is about style and not substance, how they condemn the trappings of a story without giving any weight to the story itself...but I think everyone can tell just how intellectually shallow they already are.
After all, anyone can condemn any work of fiction for not fitting some arbitrary standard. It takes a lot of thought to explain one's personal objections to a work of fiction, however. And if you ever go to a regular comics shop or comics convention and just talk to the people there, you'll be able to find plenty of people who use arbitrary standards...and, sadly, few who can explain personal objections against comics they don't like.

By that same token flipped on its other side, there are very few people who can explain their own personal preferences. Most prefer using, again, arbitrary standards.
Nothing wrong with arbitrary standards...as long as one using an arbitrary standard realizes he's not really thinking about what he likes and dislikes and why he has these opinions.
The people making the website listed in the threadfoundation think that using the Bible as an arbitrary standard somehow absolves them of the responsibility to think for themselves. It doesn't, and it places them right alongside most of the people to whom they see themselves as witnessing the Good Word. They can't see that they're no different from their would-be converts...and that's why I can't be happy with their website.

It's not that their views make me angry. It's that their views sound so much like the views concerning fictional media that I have heard from so many people...that it saddens me to see fellow Christians fall into the trap of not developing their own personalities...not developing their own souls.

There's enough generic people in the world. Too many, in my view. Contrary to the claim of the TV show, "Every life is not a biography"; most are generic tales that could be put on a 2-page pamphlet and still have half-a page left blank. I know I'm rambling in my rant. but my point is that our opinions are part of who we are. If we really don't know what we like and what we dislike so that we can explain it to others why we like what we like and we dislike what we dislike...then how can we say that we are people, that we are individuals, that we are a "we" in the first place?
Our views are a part of us...and those lacking this part...lack what define them as unique individuals. And it saddens me to see a website devoted to this lack.

[Larechar]

:mad: :mad: :mad: F&CKING RETARDS :mad: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hate when ppl of my religion do CRAP like that... I'm a Christian, but you can kinda tell from my other posts, I love death. the two are weird, but I have a caring side inside my death side inside my caring side(nonsense). I hate when ppl of my religion do CRAP like that. :mad: :mad: :mad:

[asd]

Damn Paganchu! Stop conducting your rituals on Satanizard!

[Larechar]

they're stupid! they think they can change things... they can't change crap. I should go to they're house after I'm done training this summer, and use my ninja skills and assassinate them :mad:

PS: I'm not :nuts:

[Osiris]

hmmmm I couldn't read more than a paragraph or two, it pissed me off to much, but when the one guy said INUYASHA was bad it made me just about ready to attack somebody. I agree with the one comment on there from someone who ISN'T crazy, ITS JUST CARDBOARD and cardboard isn't evil...Its incidents like this that meake me glad Im Lutheran and not Catholic. I haven't realy seen anyone but catholics start stuff like this. (If you can't tell, I don't like the Catholic Faith very much, no ofence if you are catholic, I just disagree with alot of things. in fact the very same things Martin Luther disagreed with) To all those who think just suggesting things like that makes it bad, My nicknames and usernames all over the internet are the names of Egyptian Gods, does that mean I believe in that religion? No, it does not, It simply means that I enjoy egyptology.

Oh and BTW, if these people are American Citisens that should be ashamed, they make it sound like Christianity is the only religion and everyone else is stupid. That is the oposite of the American Way, THE MORONS NEED TO READ THE CONSTITUTION, it says that everyone has a right to their own religion, if they want anime censored because it depicts other religions, then they are saying "only our religion matters" which is complete and total horse manure. What about those whos religion it is that the anime depicts? The morons who wrote this stuff need to see a good Anime and read a Manga, if they still don't like it, then let them think that to themselves and let others deside what they think themselves.

Sincerely,

Michael Minor
AKA;
Anubis,
AKA;
Osiris

P.S. one more comment on this


"From Rory : Your comments on the anime series Neon Genesis Evangelion were a major talking point at one of my home forums. Your reader's articles sparked an outrage there, and not simply because you oppose our views, but because many of your readers' views are based on untruths. Your people complain that Evangelion holds unjust views on the certain issues presented, using non-existant elements from the anime as proof to your equally meaningful argument.

In one of the later replies, the reader mentions a "sexually immoral" relationship between the protagonist, Shinji, and another main character, Misato. Now, I haven't practiced Catholicism for a good eight years, but are you suggesting that there is something "sexually immoral" with a young man living in the same abode as an older woman that is not his mother? Because that is about as far as the so-called relationship gets: Misato is Shinji's guardian, possibly a "mother figure", but nothing more.

I have to agree with Shinji in the case of apparent "pornography" present in the End of Evangelion movie. The most suggestive scene portrayed in the movie is probably Rei coming into physical contact with Gendo (arguably Rei's father) in the middle part of the movie.

Oh, and Berit, please enlighten us in what you were referring to when discussing "psychic power". I have read the both the original and translated transcripts of the manga (japanese graphic novel) and nowhere in it does it mention psychic ability in any way. You may have mistaken this for the Evangelion's A.T field, generated by the Evangelion itself, not the human inside (in case you don't know what an Evangelion is, it's the big purple robot thingy. You've paid that little attention to the anime itself before rejecting it that it wouldn't surprise me if you didn't know).

It is people and groups like you that repel me away from the Christian faith. As I mentioned before, I was once a follower of Christ, but I turned away about the same time that I lost my mother. The Lord Almighty did not take her away from me, her smoking a pack of cigarettes a day took her away from me. That, among other things, convinced me that there is a logical explanation behind everything in this world. God didn't make the sun, it is the result of masses of gas gathering in deep space. God didn't create man, we have evolved from simpler lifeforms. Every so-called truth presented in the Bible has an equal and more-convincing scientific explanation. I'm not saying that these truths are found in Evangelion, I'm merely saying that these truths of yours are not the truths for everyone.

Rory, you have more faith in science than many of today's most respected scientists. One of the reasons we keep hearing new answers and explanations for the origins of both life and the universe is that many of the old answers have been proven invalid. Evolution may explain adaptation and mutation, but it cannot explain the diverse species. Stephen Jay Gould's theory of punctuated equilibrium was just one of those unsatisfactory attempts to resolve puzzles the human mind simply can't explain. May I suggest you follow some of the links (and take time to read the articles) on this page: Creation or Evolution.

And THAT, my uneducated reader, is what Evangelion is about: not other people's opinions, but self-identity through the one's own thoughts and opinions, which are only influenced by others' actions and opinions. The lesson of the series was to define oneself from others through interaction with others, creating their own views of their world.

Do you "define yourself from others through interaction with others," Rory? In today's postmodern world, which supposedly is characterized by "continual change," that could prove very confusing and depressing.

I hope you understand that by releasing your views on this anime series, you have angered much of the worldwide community. And you wonder why so many people have rejected your views? Take your own advice and read your book. Proverbs 30:33.

Since I don't define myself by the standards of "the worldwide community," it doesn't really matter how it reacts to our website. I do read that Book, Rory, and it has far more lasting and fulfilling answers concerning my human identity and destiny than any worldly consensus. That's why I can share important facts and truths without fear of hostile reactions. It's the only way to be at peace in a turbulent world

GO RORY! Boo guy in italics

[asd]

lol.... paganchu..... didn't anyone else think that was funny?

[Osiris]

where did paganchu come from? oh well, Ill have to go look at that

[Larechar]

I :mad: barely :mad: read :mad: any :mad: of :mad: it :mad: :mad: ... But I got the general point. apparently ink, paper, and projecters are evil. :confused:

[Osiris]

I guess to these guys Everything is evil. As joked about in the cartoon "Family Guy" when they were trying to Toilet train Stewie:

Peter: "Were a Catholic family..."

Book Store Guy: "Oh then youll want 'whats coming out the back of you is concentrated evil' "

Peter: "Perfect!"

PS. If you can't tell, I hate people religious Fanatics like these people, and those on annother website that called my religion Heretics just because it is named after the man who founded it, Martin Luther.

[Larechar]

oh really? I didn't know what Lutherin was... lol

[ZERO]

Seig, get off the pills. I took pills for ADHD- 15 a day to be exact- and had mood swings and felt deperessed all the time. As soon as I got off the pills I felt better and was able to enjoy life. As for the anti anime people, may an army of otaku rise up and slaughter there worthless asses.