Ghosts

[jitterbugperfume]

Okay. What is everyone's take on ghosts? Here is my explaination.

Ghosts are real, but not in the sence that most people assume. The Bible clearly states that there are two destinations after we leave this world ... heaven and hell. So how do you explain all of the paranormal phenomena? Easy, if you look at it from a biblical point of view. Satan is a deceiver. He cannot read our thoughts, but anything that is visible or autible, he understands and can use against us. The Bible also says that Satan has demons that he uses as helpers. My thought on this subject is that these demon helpers take the information about people who have lived and died, and portray themselves to be those people in the afterlife. Knowing that this could not be a possibility because of there being only two possible destinations in the hereafter, the only logical conclusion is that these demons are here to deceive us into believing that if there is a paranormal, a hereafter on this earth, then that must mean that the teachings of the Bible are false. Satan uses this to pry us away from God by putting that seed of doubt in our hearts.

Any other explainations out there?

[Unit1Evangelion]

ya i saw god. he was actually good looking. i know it wasn't a ghost though. he said hi and we started talking. when i was done shaving and brushing my teeth i walked away from the mirror.

::edit::

ghosts fall under the same philosophy i go by with god and everything there. if 2 or more of my sense don't detect them then its not real. as for what you guys will bring up 'belief'. i don't believe in ghost.

[ December 06, 2003, 08:16 PM: Message edited by: Unit1Evangelion ]

[DJ XB]

Yes you are so true Jitter. But I never read in the bible about hell or heaven. I did read the Hell was mans Grave not a place you burn in for ever. And also I also read that only 144,000 was going to heaven. Not all of us. But back to the point, Satan knows what some of humans fears are and plays on them. For example hunted houses. Are they hunted? Yes. but not with the dead walking around. I think it's demons acing as our dead loved ones or people from the past. I was told that I was hunting the coridors of a colledge dorm last year. How can I be hunting a place when I'm still alive? Demons....

[Road_Kill]

my theory is that we live in a world with more than three dimensions, and there are other versions of us on other dimensional worlds. now, normally teh dimesions are so finely and cleverly woven together in teh fabric of space time that they seem seamless, and are seamless. however, there are weak spots, almost as if tehy were where a moth has gotten int teh closet, or where some bleach was used if you will.

now, at these weak spots we are able to see into teh other dimensions, and them tyo us. it is also possible if the spot is weakened enough that we coud get lost between teh dimensions, and stay in one thatr was not menat for us at all. these haunted houses if you will are teh weak spots, and teh ghosts are merely teh people or things that havegotten lost or come in contact with these weak spots.

[jitterbugperfume]

I very much believe in the reality of wars between the angels and the demons. I believe it goes on around us every day. That if we could see with spiritual eyes instead of our human eyes, we would see millions of angels and demons fighting for our souls. Therefore, my belief that my belief is reality.

AZ - or mr. boomba or whatever, as for your comments about the Bible and heaven and hell ... you believe what you wish, I'll believe what I wish. The ultimate thing is that you believe in God and follow Him to the best of your understanding of His will. We will only be held accountable for what we have knowledge of.

[Setsuri]

my basement's haunted ^_^

..that is all.

[DJ XB]

I wish I had a friend like you Jitter your so smart..

[Road_Kill]

the idea of a divine war is interesting, however, if there are always these battles happening, what is it thats beeing contested? its not our souls, since they are our domains. it is not the status quo, because the tecahing of tehbible show that Satan will always rule hell, even though he wishes to rule heaven, and its noit that god wants teh rest of teh world, becausehe is contented with what he has, according to teh bible. so what would it be? a demon gets drunk one night and strikes at teh gates, the gatekeeper move out and punch him, then he gets some gangstar friends to help him out in teh fight?

[jitterbugperfume]

mr. booomba, you do have a friend like me. Although I can only be an electronical side thought, I am here for you just the same.

Road_Kill, as a matter of fact, I believe that it is a war for our souls. Although we have control over our souls in this life, the battle is over where they will go in the hereafter. As well, it is a battle against our physical bodies. God's Word promises to protect his people, and Satan is always trying to harm us. Be it emotional strife, physical ailment, or mental problems (we all know that some of us are completely psycho *cough - me - cough*). However, I do believe that the battle is being faught. We are just unable to see it. But it is nice to know that even when you feel totally alone in this world, someone's got your back.

[DJ XB]

haha your basement is hunted! No thats not funny. do you really have ghost in your basement?

[Kurisu]

Ghosts, they are a mystery, huh? In my belief, phantom is a better word than ghost( I just made that up just now ) I think that the ghost in one theory is a shadow or some form of left behind image of one passed on.

[DJ XB]

I think ghost are only here to scare the living crap out of us.

[Osiris]

maby they are as ledgend suggests a spiritn of a person that has unfinnished buisness and refused to bass on untill they finish it.

[Setsuri]

mr.boomba... simple answer yes.
complicated answer; there have been series of unexplainable occurances that have occurred in our basement and there have been several people that have witnessed these occurances [completly by chance] these are things like a veil of darkness ofver a corner of the room that impedes any sort of light from shining through. A walking shadow, and someones hand fazing through a wall. There are more and I'm really sorry but I have a chem project and hopefully baking for the christmas drama party thing tommorrow!

[Osiris]

this person I used to live next door to said that his whole house was haunted and I beleive him.

[DJ XB]

It probably was haunted. Darn Ghost.

[Osiris]

More like ghosts plural. One reason that I belived him was that when there was nobody inside the house (like if they were on vacation) at night a light would turn on all of a sudden on the second floor and then the next day it would be back off again. (no I did not halucinate)

[ December 12, 2003, 06:30 PM: Message edited by: Dragon Rider ]

[Road_Kill]

automatic light timer? or really bad cat burgular?

[Osiris]

neither no-one came in. I would have heard because they lived so close and I dont think that they could afford an automatic light timer

[Road_Kill]

hmmm... then, ineed, hgosts are a possible explanation.

[DJ XB]

that's crazy!

[Osiris]

yes it is

[Road_Kill]

however, to say something is crazy, is merely just to say that yu do not understand it. and that yuo fear it, for if it is true, and plausible, then it wioll shake teh very foundations upon which your world is based.

[DJ XB]

hey hey hey! It was crazy leave it at that. your starting to confuse me.

[Osiris]

1) I am not scared of ghosts
2) It could have been an electrical malfunction
3) not to contradict my self but there has been a logical explanation for NEARLY every case of a paranormal apritian but I am not saying that I do not belive in ghosts because I do

[jitterbugperfume]

One day at work, my supervisor was talking about how she had had this weird experience, like a dream. Someone was holding her down to her bed. she couldn't move anything. All she could see was this dark shadow huvering over her and the clock that was next to her, which read 5:59. And the only thing she could think of was that if she could just lie there for one more minute, the alarm would go off.

She finally was able to wake herself. She felt a great deal of pressure on her chest, just like in the dream, and the clock said 5:59. The alarm hadn't even gone off to wake her, but it was the same time as in the dream.

So like as soon as she finished telling us this story, one of the girls started busting up laughing because one of the guys in a dication she was working on started screaming that he was going to kill everybody.

Then, a few seconds after that, i had a name of a hospital that i had to have my supervisor look up. I can't remember the name off hand, if i do, i will let you know, but it was a psychiatric hospital for "colored" patient way back when that had been shut down. So when we opened the first site, it was a paranormal link to the facility showing pictures of "ghosts" and such.

It was a rather creepy day.

[Road_Kill]

boomba: i'll try and shut off my fortune cookie centre for a while.

jitter: all i can say is, 1) what is a dication? and 2) wow, and i thought i hadweird days.

[DJ XB]

Originally posted by Dragon Rider:
1) I am not scared of ghosts
2) It could have been an electrical malfunction
3) not to contradict my self but there has been a logical explanation for NEARLY every case of a paranormal apritian but I am not saying that I do not belive in ghosts because I do Dragon Rider, stop acting fearless. You know if you came face to face with one you would crap you pants and go crying to your mommy(I know I would :D ) Don't say "oh I would fight" it or something dumb like that cause you know you wouldn't.

[Osiris]

there is only 1 kind of ghost that can harm you and that is a polterguist and thoes can only hurt you with objects so no I am not afraid of ghosts

[jitterbugperfume]

A dictation is a tape that someone records (or a voice file) containing a document or information that they want typed up into a transcript. I work as a transcriptionist, I type other peoples dictations for a living. They talk, I type, and the world goes 'round ... and 'round ... and 'round ... blah blah blah. Gets rather interesting every once and a while though. But for the most part, very incessant.

[Osiris]

that was and

[Road_Kill]

jitter: thatnks. i guess i shouldn't bve as dumb abouit typos. bah, oh well.

heh, i can imagine some of teh days you might have at work "and so then we went and caught this fish, only they we'ren't called fish in thiose days, they was called thumper bugs. and them thumperbugs, they would thump all overa de place, seee, that's why you need t have teh thumperpaddock nearby when you went thumpin..." ah, god i could make such a cool old man if i were allowed tor ramble for a time..

[jitterbugperfume]

Originally posted by Osiris:
that was and Hello??? Answering a direct question from Road_Kill here. Read the tread, and maybe you would have followed. LOL.

[DJ XB]

Originally posted by Osiris:
that was and Man, your the one around here.......

[Unit1Evangelion]

Originally posted by Road_Kill:
my theory is that we live in a world with more than three dimensions, and there are other versions of us on other dimensional worlds. now, normally teh dimesions are so finely and cleverly woven together in teh fabric of space time that they seem seamless, and are seamless. however, there are weak spots, almost as if tehy were where a moth has gotten int teh closet, or where some bleach was used if you will.

now, at these weak spots we are able to see into teh other dimensions, and them tyo us. it is also possible if the spot is weakened enough that we coud get lost between teh dimensions, and stay in one thatr was not menat for us at all. these haunted houses if you will are teh weak spots, and teh ghosts are merely teh people or things that havegotten lost or come in contact with these weak spots. there have been supposed sightings of ghosts all over the world seeing people they know or people they don't dead but in ghost form. or just plain floating around doin some crazy stuff. now your theory would work until it hits the dead look or the so called flying ghosts. i highly doubt in a different dimention everyone is the undead ^_^.

im trying to think of a way to define the way that connects us threw the different dimentions but i can't remember at this time =/. i will get back to you

[DJ XB]

This all reminds me of FATAL FRAME 2: CRIMSON BUTTERFLY!

[Road_Kill]

unit1: hmmm, aye, yuo make a good point on teh undeadness. well, quantum theory states that anything that can happen, will happen, so it is possible that there is a dimension fiull of undead-looking people. however, that would nbot explain how it seems to be the majority of sightings. i'm thinking that quite likely the majority of teh dead looking people are what teh human brain interprest the extradimensional beings as? possible we can't see a certain colour, so we interpret irt a different way. i know that has wholes, but its teh best i can come up with right now (hey, it is 1:30 AM!)

as far as teh link... possibly a theory of a soul that exists within all dimesnions, and none at teh same time?

[Unit1Evangelion]

thanks. yes it does have to do with the soul. there is a line that is supposed to connect us all. hense i am i but in a different dimention. act different, think different, might look a bit different but im still me in the various dimentions. actually the movie "the one" basically described it the best in the beginning of the movie.

[Road_Kill]

heh, i need to get aruond to watching that movie....

sounds similair to teh idea set out by teh show "Sliders" as well, but i don't think they ever made a connection with souls or line, just different versions of people..

[Unit1Evangelion]

hehe i was goin to use that example for the next reply . i loved sliders until they ruined it after the 2 or 3rd season.(it died after the professor died). but it still follows the same line as have a connection. they look the same. they are still the same person in every dimention except for their attitude, job....etc. they are all connected some how. otherwise they wouldn't look the same . we are all binded together. its kinda hard to explain over the net. it would be easier to tell you in rl.

[Road_Kill]

i see what you mean, strong binding force, holding all pieces together spiritually, in a sense. i agree with that idea, however, the likelyhood that all your alternate selves wiould be in tehsame geographic location, IE: all the Bob Jacob's all are in the city of New York in their world, is rather slim.

and yeah, i used to love that show, but as yuo said, the dead prof killed the show a fair bit. the part that got me really confused too was the brother trapped in interdemesnional space... gah, too hard to think of.

[Unit1Evangelion]

^haha. see what i mean. they screwed it all up with mumbojumbo.

[Road_Kill]

aye, see, that's why, if i ever make a tv show, i'll never let it get into science realted stuff; teh general public doesn't care about high tech words. just say things like "he's gone, we need to get him back", and that's all you need.

[Xion-Jehuty]

Ghosts.. really dodgy subject to cover. The only 'ghostly' expereience, if it counts, is multiple deja-vu, where about 60% of everythin I dreamt came true (unfortunately nothing good). Ive seen shadows move across my floor when no-one's been in the house, and heard gale winds when it wasn't windy as well. I probably belong in a mental institute

[Road_Kill]

hmmm... well, ultimately, it comes down to your personal beliefs. if yuo belive in religions, then teh idea of an angel war might be fitting. if yuo believe in quantum sciences, then alternate dimensions could work, or if you believe in the life afterdeath, wlaking dead idea, then that works as well.

it really is a matter of what you think, and prefer to think.

[blu ku bara]

i'm with road kill its all in your mind if you think something is true then you are more likly to expierence it
i would say i believe in ghost but i never seen one or had any wierd expierences with them but if i had one then i would be true believer

[Setsuri]

yes... but believer in which or what is the problem? See I've had 'experiances' but the problem is what do you classify the experiances as... ghost, past reflection of things done in another life, angels or their counterparts, or a weakness in realities. Most experiances are visual with minor audio but there is little actually conversation if you get what i mean. Not much backround covered.

[Road_Kill]

well, another possibility is drug dreams. i know when yuo get drunk yuo can see some stuff that nmnormally you wouldn't see *cough* not that i would know of course *coucgh*

[DJ XB]

Originally posted by Dragon Rider:
there is only 1 kind of ghost that can harm you and that is a polterguist and thoes can only hurt you with objects so no I am not afraid of ghosts What if they started throwing stuff at you? like axes and chairs and pots and things of the sort?

[blu ku bara]

*rises from his undead grave like a zombie

booooooooo!!!!

you should try the "Ghost Master" video game for the pc its cool game
where you get to control ghost and scare people :D

*disappears like a ghost

[ January 07, 2004, 10:53 AM: Message edited by: blu ku bara ]

[Osiris]

Boomba THAT WOULD SCARE THE LIVING CRAP OUT OF ME!!! :eek:

[Xion-Jehuty]

I know this may be a lil but what's peoples views on mythical beasts, eg dragons? They can't be proven to be real, like ghosts, neither can they be disproven. If ancient legend describes dragons as scaled lizards, how would people of their era know what a lizard was? How could they imagine what a dragon would look like? Surely that must be some kind of evidence to suggest they do exist/did exist. Someone give me some kind of help here, if you think it links at all to the topic.

[Osiris]

try this site www.dragnix.net/links (http://www.dragnix.net/links) I think it has alot of good sites to research this kind of thing


don't wory you are not alone me and about 1 mil other people think dragons were or are real.

[ January 09, 2004, 02:49 PM: Message edited by: Osiris ]

[Xion-Jehuty]

Hey thanx mate, ill try that one.

[Unit1Evangelion]

define what a dragon is.

we have dragons all over the planet. always have. but what is a dragon? a fire breathing, huge muscular scaled lizard that can fly? cause there are many different kinds of dragons. some can't fly, some can't breath fire...etc.

we have lizards that resemble what you would call a dragon but arn't as big.

to answer you question about dragons. i wish i could believe in them sense i have had a love for them sense i was a child. but i don't. i have a big obsession with mythology though. i love it. makes your imagination go wild. fantasies are great

[AcIdrain]

Well, This one time at band camp...

No wait ... Thats not what I wanted to put ...

I remember when I was like 10 or 11 years old that I was sleeping and woke up to these small little weird things dancing around me in my bed. It was very weird and scared the living crap out of me. I tried punching them, and even put my hand in front of them and they went right through it. I was like, Oh Crap! At that point, I ran in my parents room and there they were ... dancing around my parents. God, I was thinking I was on something or dreaming. Nope, I put on the TV and everything. It totaly started to freak me out. I went ahead and hid in the corner of my room ... After a while I didn't see them anymore so I went back to bed. Freakiest thing I'v ever seen in my life!! I don't know, Maby I was sick or something. (Not Mentally of course)

- AcIdrain

[Osiris]

DRAGON
1. A fabulous monster represented as a giagantic reptile having a lion's claws, the tail of a serpent, wings, and a scaley skin.
2. Archiac. A large snake or serpent.
3. A fiercely vigilant or intractable person.
4. Any varios lizards such as one of the genus Draco.
5. Dragon Draco [ME < OFr.< Lat. draco < Gk. drakon, serpent]

there strait from the American Heritage Dictionary

oh and MYTHOLOGY AND SUCH IS MY OBSESION!

[ January 11, 2004, 12:14 AM: Message edited by: Osiris ]

[Road_Kill]

dragons are enmtirely possible. there is a whole nother world which we do not see and which is there, no matyter how much we want to deny it.

acid: you could have been having a halucination, or you could have seen the "bleaching" effect. believe what you will.

[DJ XB]

The Phenix and Griffin are two of the coolest myth beast I've ever heard of.

[Osiris]

*cracks knuckles* I SAID MYTHS ARE MY OBSESSION

[AcIdrain]

Originally posted by Road_Kill:
acid: you could have been having a halucination, or you could have seen the "bleaching" effect. believe what you will. Well, I don't think it was a halucination ... I'm no exspert on the subject, but aren't you suppost to be scared at ghost looking things? I was freaked out, but not scared out of my wits or anything. I donno, just something I heard somewhere.

- AcIdrain

[Xion-Jehuty]

I'd like to believe in big flying dragons you see in the likes of Reign of Fire, because Im really into mythology, especially our scaly friends You are right though, Unit1, because we have Komodo dragons which some people could call dragons I suppose..

[Unit1Evangelion]

Originally posted by AcIdrain:
Well, This one time at band camp...

No wait ... Thats not what I wanted to put ...

I remember when I was like 10 or 11 years old that I was sleeping and woke up to these small little weird things dancing around me in my bed. It was very weird and scared the living crap out of me. I tried punching them, and even put my hand in front of them and they went right through it. I was like, Oh Crap! At that point, I ran in my parents room and there they were ... dancing around my parents. God, I was thinking I was on something or dreaming. Nope, I put on the TV and everything. It totaly started to freak me out. I went ahead and hid in the corner of my room ... After a while I didn't see them anymore so I went back to bed. Freakiest thing I'v ever seen in my life!! I don't know, Maby I was sick or something. (Not Mentally of course)

- AcIdrain lay off the shrooms for a while man . just hand them over. i will look out for your stash for a while ^_^

[Osiris]

MYTHS ARE MY OBSESSION!!!

[blu ku bara]

*cracks neck and left ankle* video games are my obsession
' i couldn't get bold to work:mad:

[Yumi]

Originally posted by jitterbugperfume:
Okay. What is everyone's take on ghosts? Here is my explaination.

Ghosts are real, but not in the sence that most people assume. The Bible clearly states that there are two destinations after we leave this world ... heaven and hell. So how do you explain all of the paranormal phenomena? Easy, if you look at it from a biblical point of view. Satan is a deceiver. He cannot read our thoughts, but anything that is visible or autible, he understands and can use against us. The Bible also says that Satan has demons that he uses as helpers. My thought on this subject is that these demon helpers take the information about people who have lived and died, and portray themselves to be those people in the afterlife. Knowing that this could not be a possibility because of there being only two possible destinations in the hereafter, the only logical conclusion is that these demons are here to deceive us into believing that if there is a paranormal, a hereafter on this earth, then that must mean that the teachings of the Bible are false. Satan uses this to pry us away from God by putting that seed of doubt in our hearts.

Any other explainations out there? depending if your christan or chothlic depends on it .. I know that one belives 2 worlds of where you will go after death but in the other there are 3. One is heven one is hell and the other is inbetween and that is how we reive ghosts. if the ghost doesnt figure out how to redem his/ her name he/ she goes to hell but if by some miricle they remdem their name they go to heven.. or thast what i was told I dont really believe in anything I dont have a reiligon ^_^; I believe that if you do wrong you will go to hell and if you are good your spirt will rest at peace. thast all i believe

[DJ XB]

Originally posted by blu ku bara:
*cracks neck and left ankle* video games are my obsession
' i couldn't get bold to work:mad: (puts on hat with feather, some shades and funky pimping cane) Pimping is my obession.

[Sasuke]

Originally posted by XiaoBoomba:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by blu ku bara:
*cracks neck and left ankle* video games are my obsession
' i couldn't get bold to work:mad: (puts on hat with feather, some shades and funky pimping cane) Pimping is my obsession. </font>[/QUOTE](Puts night cap on, turns off lights, and lays in bed.) Sleepings my obsession.

[AcIdrain]

Originally posted by Unit1Evangelion:
lay off the shrooms for a while man . just hand them over. i will look out for your stash for a while ^_^ I refuse your offer :D

Anyway, No I don't remember taking anything at the time of the incident. Maby I was halucinating, or maby I wasn't. I don't drink, Smoke, or take drugs. So, I'm pretty sure if I was halucinating, It would have been a natual halucination. In my opinion, It was hardly a halucination at all.


Originally posted by Road_Kill:
acid: you could have been having a halucination, or you could have seen the "bleaching" effect. believe what you will. What do you mean by "Bleaching" effect. I'v never heard of that before?! oO Is it something to do with another type of halucination?

- AcIdrain

[Road_Kill]

what i menat by "bleaching" effect was mty theory about how the differnet universes co-exist near each other, and taht at some points the fabrics pf sace time are "bleached" or even broken, and we are able to peeer between, and et lost between tehdimensioons. see my earlier post in this thread for a full explanation.

[Osiris]

this died with all of the ness. offtopicness is my word you cant have it! *gaurds his word*

[ January 23, 2004, 10:16 PM: Message edited by: Osiris ]

[blu ku bara]

grabs his offtopicness badge -that's right i used your word- and strolls down to the arcade. that right arcading is my hobby

[ January 24, 2004, 12:11 PM: Message edited by: blu ku bara ]

[Osiris]

MY WORD *steels it back*